74. Put Down the Sword and Love: Joe Klinker

Today, we talk with Joe Klinker, a father of three, the creator of Tiny Saints, and a seminary dropout turned Coast Guard communications director. Joe and Marcellino dive right in, talking about the move away from perfectionism into true expression and freedom, in both art and faith. Joe tells the heartbreaking, powerful story of how Tiny Saints came to be—and all the risks and joys of starting the business. He offers insight into what our art and faith need: wrestling, learning, humility, a search for truth that isn’t stifling or destructive to others. His journey away from a heavily apologetics-based faith life culminates in a profound story about learning to love his LGBT neighbors.

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73. Entrepreneurship Meets Evangelization: Scott Williams

This week we speak with Scott Williams, co-founder of Sock Religious and the Director of Youth Ministry for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis. Marcellino and Scott chat about the ridiculous ways people come to know Jesus better—cake, beard destruction, and of course, pope socks. Scott shares the ups and downs of running a small business, including his efforts to find balance as he raises his three-month-old son and build a company without letting it take him away from his primary vocation. He offers insight into entrepreneurial courage, especially the humility it takes to let others do what you can’t in order to be your best.

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72. Creating Home Through Music: Mike Mangione

This week we speak with Mike Mangione, father of three, professional musician, and co-founder of The Cor Project. In this podcast, Anthony and Mike discuss the relationship between vulnerability and music. Mike shares about his experience with Peter Gabriel’s music as a young boy, he talks about the role of music in his Theology of the Body ministry with Christopher West, and he explains how he uses suffering and pain to play music out of a place of vulnerability.

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71. The Island of the Misfit Activist: Destiny Herndon-De La Rosa

This week we speak with Destiny Herndon-De La Rosa, national speaker, hardcore pro-life activist, and founder of New Wave Feminists. In this podcast, Anthony and Destiny discuss how rejection, suffering, and doubt have played a role in Destiny’s journey as an activist.  Destiny talks about her insecurities as a public figure and how she’s adopted the role of misfit throughout her life. Anthony and Destiny both share about moments when they’ve encountered God during their darkest hours, and how their spiritual journeys have been shaped by both moments of serious faith and serious doubt. Destiny isn’t afraid to get real and also shares about her experience of God as an agnostic and about her struggle with alcoholism.


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70. Made for Eden: Michelle Benzinger

This week we speak with Michelle Benzinger, mother of six, speaker, entrepreneur, and Creative Director of Meaningful Market. In this podcast, Marcellino and Michelle talk about how we are called as creatives to champion each other’s dreams. Marcellino and Michelle each share stories from their own lives of times when the body of Christ poured into them and encouraged them to dream. They discuss the importance of being rooted in your identity instead of your gifts, the risk of choosing to play as an adult when our culture places so much emphasis on performance and achievement, and how we were originally created to live in a garden. They tell us that if we want to create great art, we need to find ways to pour into each other.

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69. Ridding the World of Button Pushers: Cory Heimann

As the 2018 Summit gets even closer, we wanted to share with you another talk from last year’s summit. This breakout session was given by Cory Heimann, founder and Creative Director of Likable Art, father of 3, and all around awesome creative. In this talk, Cory discusses how we as Catholic creatives are set apart and are called to present Christ as irresistible to the world. He talks about the responsibility we have as the artists through whom many major projects the Church is working on are funneled through.  He explains how we as Catholics are set apart from other creatives, and describes what unique opportunities our Catholic heritage presents to us as storytellers and artists. Cory also challenges us to think about how we live out our personal values in our work and how we encourage those we work for to move their own missions forward as well.

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68. Don’t Change Culture, Change Yourself: TJ Berden

This week we speak with TJ Berden, filmmaker and producer of Paul, Apostle of Christ and Full of Grace. In this podcast, Anthony and TJ talk about TJ’s journey living in LA and working on bigger budget productions. TJ talks about how he moved to LA brandishing the Catholic sword with a desire to change culture, but learned upon arriving that change first needed to come from within. He shares about the impact Tree of Life had on him as an artist and speaks about how relationships with certain groups of people sparked within him a passion for life and a love of beauty. TJ speaks about his time working on Paul, Apostle of Christ and how diving into the humanity and emotional drama of Paul’s life were some of the most self transformative parts of the movie-making process for him. Anthony and TJ also talk about the importance of community as creatives, and how great work and great beauty can come from intimate and personal friendships.

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67. The New Renaissance: Matt Meeks

This week we’re doing something a little different. With the 2018 Catholic Creatives Summit only one month away, we decided to bring back the keynote talk from last year’s summit. We really want everyone to hear this talk because the New Renaissance is what we’re about.

The Catholic Creatives’ Why is:

"Setting creatives free so that they can unleash a new renaissance."

This is why Catholic Creatives exists. And this is why this talk is so important for everyone to listen to. What is a renaissance? What are examples of past renaissances? What does a new renaissance look like? What is it going to take for that to happen? Matt Meek’s talk at the summit last year was a prophetic answer to these questions.

Also, feel free to check out Courtney Kiolbassa's blog post where she shares her thoughts from meditating on what the New Renaissance really means.

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66. Trusting in Generosity: John Ruhlin

This week we speak with gift giving expert, speaker, and author John Ruhlin. In this podcast, Anthony and John discuss the power and the value of radical generosity in professional and personal relationships. They discuss how using gratitude as a competitive advantage is not a tactic but a lifestyle, how we have forgotten the ancient practices of showing one another how much we value our relationships through tangible gifts, and how our call as Christians is to live a life of generosity both in our personal lives and in our professional lives. John shares his journey of learning about the importance of generosity in relationships using stories and experiences from his own life, he talks about his heart behind why he lives a life of radical generosity, and he explains that true gift giving is about giving with no strings attached.

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65. Creating out of Permission and Pain: Chuck Kinnane

This week we speak with Chuck Kinnane, film director and co-founder of Grassroots Films and Kinnane Films. In this podcast, Anthony and Chuck discuss creating art that deeply resonates with the soul. Chuck shares about his experiences of permission and tragedy, the deep impact 9/11 had on him as a young creative, and what he’s learned about suffering and humanity through working with the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Anthony and Chuck discuss how we as creatives are called to enter into people’s experiences of doubt and suffering and find redemption and meaning in that suffering.

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Chuck Kinnane, film director and co-founder of Grassroots Films and Kinnane Films

66. The Gift of Belonging: Roberta Ahmanson

This week, we speak with Roberta Ahmanson, lover of beauty and a leading philanthropist in Christian art. In this podcast, Marcellino and Roberta discuss the role beauty and art have played in her life’s journey. They talk about suffering, belonging, and embracing your uniqueness as an artist. Roberta shares many stories from her own life experiences. Her wisdom and motherly nature are captivating, and her storytelling will leave you wanting more. From the outside, she may look different than a lot of people - however, on the inside she is just like all of us. At heart, we are all seeking belonging and experiences of a beautiful God.


Roberta Ahmanson is a lover of beauty, an art collector, a thinker, and a philanthropist.

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65. Conviction, Identity, and Belonging: Kate Bryan

This week, we speak with Kate Bryan, pro-life feminist, communications strategist, speaker, and writer. In this podcast, Marcellino and Kate talk about the call we have as creatives to challenge the culture and stand up for our core values and beliefs. They discuss the importance of being firm in one’s identity so as not to react to controversy out of wounds or fear, but to respond with love. Both Marcellino and Kate share stories of times they’ve had to stand up against the tide for their own beliefs - including the time Marcellino wrote a controversial blog post while in college and the time Kate called out the leadership of the Women’s March for not letting pro-life women participate. They also discuss the importance of community and solidarity in standing for your convictions, as well as the very real fear we all have of not belonging when we are called to stand up against what may be popular.

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64. Creative Collaboration: Jenna Guizar and Erica Tighe

This week we speak with Jenna Guizar and Erica Tighe, the Creative Director and Creative Manager of Blessed is She - a Catholic women’s ministry that uses art and scripture in its mission to create a Christ focused community of mothers, sisters, and daughters. In this podcast, Anthony, Jenna, and Erica discuss the beauty of collaboration, teamwork, and sisterhood. Jenna and Erica tell the story of the birth of Blessed is She and how they started working together. They share stories of times they’ve encouraged one another and speak about how respect, friendship, and a healthy balance of autonomy and collaboration have contributed to making their teamwork successful and effortless.



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Jenna Guizar believes every woman should be who she was meant to be.

Founder + Creative Director of Blessed is She Women's ministry + community


Erica believes beauty will save the world.

Founder of Be A Heart
+ Creative Manager of Blessed Is She

63. Protecting the Freedom of Creativity: Kate Anderson

This week we share our conversation with Kate Anderson, attorney and legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom. Kate’s job is one that many might not think of when considering creative fields, but in the current political and social climate the work she does is vital in order for creatives to have total freedom of expression.

Marcellino and Kate talk about how important those first freedoms are to creatives in particular. They discuss how the culture is forgetting their importance and allowing them to be taken from us, just to be replaced with being told how to think. They discuss how throughout history, fear and polarization has pushed society to want to force everyone to think and act a certain way, denying the freedom of the will.

Kate also speaks about how her team helps artists and business owners who are filing pre-enforcement lawsuits in order to protect themselves and challenge certain laws that could ultimately be used against them.

If you have questions about how the law applies to your industry, ADF can field those questions at no cost. Check them out at www.ADFlegal.org.

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62. The Blueprint of a Creative’s Journey: Rebecca Loomis

This week, we speak with Rebecca Loomis, a former missionary for St. Paul’s Outreach and current writer, designer, and all around Renaissance woman. In this podcast, Rebecca shares about the beautiful journey God has led her on in her calling as a creative and a missionary. Anthony and Rebecca discuss the challenges that Rebecca internally faced as she transitioned from having the formal label of “missionary” to living out a more subtle missionary life as a creative, bringing life and hope to people through her photography, art, and stories. Rebecca explains the importance of the hero’s journey in her life. She shares about a time when she went through her own darkest hour, met God at her lowest point, and then with Him climbed back up to a place of interior freedom and peace where she now creates more fully with her Creator.

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61. Beauty in Our World and Creativity in Our Workplace: Patrick Langrell and Joe Marshall

This week, we decided that instead of an interview we wanted to post two of the breakout sessions from last year’s summit. In this podcast, we hear from Patrick Langrell about the Catholic Creative’s response to the state of the modern world and from Joe Marshall about how artists are called to rise to challenges in the workplace with creativity. Patrick speaks about the world’s political, cultural, and religious states and how we are called to bring radical truth and beauty to the present moment to redeem our culture. Then Joe explains how in business, we are constantly faced with challenges, obstacles and problems we need to solve. He examines what creativity looks like in the business unit, and he gives examples of how constraints accidentally produced some of the most beautiful works of art and business.

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60. Setting Saints Free: Kristyn Brown

Kristyn Brown

This week, we speak with Kristyn Brown, photographer and founder of The Saints Project - a collection of images of the saints brought to life through Kristyn’s photographs of real life people. In this podcast, Marcellino and Kristyn discuss how we are called to be like the saints and embrace our own strangeness and uniqueness. They discuss Kristyn’s journey in creating The Saints Project and how she had to overcome her own fears and anxiety in getting the project off the ground. They talk about the realism of her images and how, by using real life people in her photography, her goal is to remind us that the saints were indeed real people who were just like us in so many ways. Marcellino and Kristyn also dive into their individual relationships with the Father and how their wounds impact their image of God.

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59. Finding Treasure in the Death of Dreams: Max Haben

This week, we speak with film director Max Haben. A true creative at heart, Max started out his career as a hip hop rapper and over time discovered a love for film. In this podcast, we hear the story of how God closed certain doors in Max’s life and opened other ones leading him to greater happiness and his anointed calling. Max and Anthony talk about failure and letting dreams die, and then about how God uses the compost of our failed dreams to create something beautiful and new. They discuss freelancing, hustling, taking risks, following dreams, and learning that God places desires on our heart for a reason.

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58. Beauty, Community, and Evangelization: Sean O’Hare

This week, we speak with entrepreneur Sean O’Hare. Sean is the founder, chief operating officer, and president of several businesses, and he is also a speaker who talks on pro-life issues, Christian apologetics, and business. In this podcast, Marcellino and Sean talk about the importance of community, art, and storytelling in evangelizing to young adults. They discuss the fertile grounds for evangelization that Sean has experienced living as a young adult in New York City, how Catholics sometimes hold back when it comes to sharing the beauty of the Church, and how Sean has learned to embrace art and culture in his mission of evangelization, and not just rely on his intellectual and apologetics background.

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57. Reawakening the Desire to Dance: Christopher West

This week, we speak with Christopher West, husband, father of five, author, speaker, and the world’s leading teacher on Saint Pope John Paul II’s “Theology of the Body.” In this podcast, Anthony and Christopher discuss how beauty cracks opens our hearts and there places a longing for the infinite. They speak about eros, Logos, and rock ‘n roll. Christopher talks about the authenticity and innocence of childlike wonder and the suffering of those with a creative or artistic sensibility. He explains that everything we’re attracted to we’re attracted to because at the root of it is Jesus and that everything that has been twisted by sin can be untwisted and redeemed to reveal God’s glory.  He also shares many vulnerable moments and experiences from his own life to show us that God knows how to speak to each one of us with the language of our hearts.

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